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		<title>Comment on The Network is dead, long live the network by simoncollister</title>
		<link>http://www.simoncollister.com/2012/01/23/the-network-is-dead-long-live-the-network/#comment-1671</link>
		<dc:creator>simoncollister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey - sorry. Meant to reply to this sooner! Um... yes. That&#039;s a nice analogy which captures some of the complex expressve/communicative as well as material/bodily elements being brought into play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; sorry. Meant to reply to this sooner! Um&#8230; yes. That&#8217;s a nice analogy which captures some of the complex expressve/communicative as well as material/bodily elements being brought into play.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Network is dead, long live the network by dekost</title>
		<link>http://www.simoncollister.com/2012/01/23/the-network-is-dead-long-live-the-network/#comment-1628</link>
		<dc:creator>dekost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! Are you basically talking about a deformation through connection/transformation like it happens in a chinese whispers game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! Are you basically talking about a deformation through connection/transformation like it happens in a chinese whispers game?</p>
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		<title>Comment on #ukriots and the limits of traditional media (and what it means for democracy) by Simon Collister</title>
		<link>http://www.simoncollister.com/2011/08/14/ukriots-and-the-limits-of-traditional-media-and-what-it-means-for-democracy/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Collister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah - there&#039;s a tension there between tooled up pro journo and tooled down &#039;citizen journalism&#039;.
There&#039;s tensions in the idea of what is a journalist or media professional and what role do they occupy - particularly within corporate media (BBC included).
But a really interesting tension with regard the ethics of it all and the growing &#039;co-veillance&#039; [not my term!] which was particularly prominent in Canada during the ice hockey riot.
I did, however, also see some people (inc the Guardian&#039;s paul Lewis, I think) say that on a number of occasions anyone seen filing with a camera/phone was attacked - so perhaps a traditional, analogue solution to a particularly technological problem.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah &#8211; there&#8217;s a tension there between tooled up pro journo and tooled down &#8216;citizen journalism&#8217;.<br />
There&#8217;s tensions in the idea of what is a journalist or media professional and what role do they occupy &#8211; particularly within corporate media (BBC included).<br />
But a really interesting tension with regard the ethics of it all and the growing &#8216;co-veillance&#8217; [not my term!] which was particularly prominent in Canada during the ice hockey riot.<br />
I did, however, also see some people (inc the Guardian&#8217;s paul Lewis, I think) say that on a number of occasions anyone seen filing with a camera/phone was attacked &#8211; so perhaps a traditional, analogue solution to a particularly technological problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on #ukriots and the limits of traditional media (and what it means for democracy) by RooftopJaxx</title>
		<link>http://www.simoncollister.com/2011/08/14/ukriots-and-the-limits-of-traditional-media-and-what-it-means-for-democracy/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>RooftopJaxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something perhaps not fully played out as yet, and successfully exploited by some of the more sussed journos, seems to have been that whilst journos bearing all the trappings of pro equipment were attacked, those who instead used iPhones and similar were better able to &#039;get away with it&#039; in our new culture of videoing ourselves and our mates, etc?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something perhaps not fully played out as yet, and successfully exploited by some of the more sussed journos, seems to have been that whilst journos bearing all the trappings of pro equipment were attacked, those who instead used iPhones and similar were better able to &#8216;get away with it&#8217; in our new culture of videoing ourselves and our mates, etc?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Escalate Collective: a critique of a critique by Simon Collister</title>
		<link>http://www.simoncollister.com/2011/04/29/escalate-collective-a-critique-of-a-critique/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Collister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah - I did post a comment but typepad has seen fit to delete it (helped by my mismanagement of the software!).
Anyway - firstly, thanks! Glad you like it.
I think -at least I&#039;d like to think - we&#039;ll get much more/deeper engagement with the issues of social media in society as get harder and the benefits of social media/the web disappear as efforts to capitalise tools and communities increase.
The idea of web 2.0 entrapping and defusing political action is explored by Jodi Dean in &#039;blog Theory&#039; - maybe worth checking out.
Interestingly, it may well be the case that the criticism of web 2.0 is not coincidentally linked to the criticism of defusing political action.
Most autonomists and/or anarchists would argue that political parties were a C19th invention to a) get some stuff and b) prevent other stuff getting done.
The entrapping of political dynamism in bureaucratic/organisational powers structures could be seen to apply equally - although where SM has extended this trap into purely personal/social spaces.
I agree with your luddite view, for sure. But also believe we need to be acutely aware of the drawbacks or other potential risks (e.g. corporate/state surveillance) of such behaviours.
Finally, don&#039;t be too harsh on the luddites. They were also acutely aware of the politics of technology - only destroying tech that impacted on common-ownership.... lessons that could would benefit learning from today!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah &#8211; I did post a comment but typepad has seen fit to delete it (helped by my mismanagement of the software!).<br />
Anyway &#8211; firstly, thanks! Glad you like it.<br />
I think -at least I&#8217;d like to think &#8211; we&#8217;ll get much more/deeper engagement with the issues of social media in society as get harder and the benefits of social media/the web disappear as efforts to capitalise tools and communities increase.<br />
The idea of web 2.0 entrapping and defusing political action is explored by Jodi Dean in &#8216;blog Theory&#8217; &#8211; maybe worth checking out.<br />
Interestingly, it may well be the case that the criticism of web 2.0 is not coincidentally linked to the criticism of defusing political action.<br />
Most autonomists and/or anarchists would argue that political parties were a C19th invention to a) get some stuff and b) prevent other stuff getting done.<br />
The entrapping of political dynamism in bureaucratic/organisational powers structures could be seen to apply equally &#8211; although where SM has extended this trap into purely personal/social spaces.<br />
I agree with your luddite view, for sure. But also believe we need to be acutely aware of the drawbacks or other potential risks (e.g. corporate/state surveillance) of such behaviours.<br />
Finally, don&#8217;t be too harsh on the luddites. They were also acutely aware of the politics of technology &#8211; only destroying tech that impacted on common-ownership&#8230;. lessons that could would benefit learning from today!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Escalate Collective: a critique of a critique by Simon Redfern</title>
		<link>http://www.simoncollister.com/2011/04/29/escalate-collective-a-critique-of-a-critique/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Redfern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 09:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this piece, and it&#039;s great that we&#039;re getting much more analysis of the dynamics around the march, which seemed very significant at the time.
The comment about Web 2.0 being a &quot;political trap that disempowers political action&quot; made me chuckle.  Have these guys ever been to a Labour Party GC?
My own luddite view is that, at the very lowest, most basic level, the ability for people to organise themselves into action more quickly and more easily, is the reason that social media is changing politics.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this piece, and it&#8217;s great that we&#8217;re getting much more analysis of the dynamics around the march, which seemed very significant at the time.<br />
The comment about Web 2.0 being a &#8220;political trap that disempowers political action&#8221; made me chuckle.  Have these guys ever been to a Labour Party GC?<br />
My own luddite view is that, at the very lowest, most basic level, the ability for people to organise themselves into action more quickly and more easily, is the reason that social media is changing politics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on *UPDATED* March 26th demo: some initial thoughts by Brendadada</title>
		<link>http://www.simoncollister.com/2011/03/29/march-26th-demo-some-initial-thoughts/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendadada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 09:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Educating people about Black Block needs to include black ops information. There is no way the anarchists I&#039;ve ever met can organise their own shoelaces, let alone this number of clearly planned and very military looking actions.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_operation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_operation&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Educating people about Black Block needs to include black ops information. There is no way the anarchists I&#8217;ve ever met can organise their own shoelaces, let alone this number of clearly planned and very military looking actions.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_operation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_operation</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Wikileaks analysis Part 1: Some notes on transparency by Simon Collister</title>
		<link>http://www.simoncollister.com/2010/12/07/wikileaks-analysis-some-notes-on-transparency/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Collister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Jason. Awesome response; you&#039;re bang on the money - as I&#039;d expect. :)
Your comment points to Geert Lovink&#039;s argument that Wikileaks as it stands offers a quantitative difference, not a qualitative one. And perhaps that&#039;s partly why the current WLs issue is so loved by the media: they get anonymous whistle-blowing whereas they might not get the notion of hundreds, thousands of &#039;self-policing&#039; and &#039;self-correcting&#039; voices which may reduce the need for or reliance on traditional, broadcast media channels.
I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s *that* impossible.... so let&#039;s definitely demand it :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Jason. Awesome response; you&#8217;re bang on the money &#8211; as I&#8217;d expect. <img src='http://www.simoncollister.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Your comment points to Geert Lovink&#8217;s argument that Wikileaks as it stands offers a quantitative difference, not a qualitative one. And perhaps that&#8217;s partly why the current WLs issue is so loved by the media: they get anonymous whistle-blowing whereas they might not get the notion of hundreds, thousands of &#8216;self-policing&#8217; and &#8216;self-correcting&#8217; voices which may reduce the need for or reliance on traditional, broadcast media channels.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s *that* impossible&#8230;. so let&#8217;s definitely demand it <img src='http://www.simoncollister.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Wikileaks analysis Part 1: Some notes on transparency by Jason MIcal</title>
		<link>http://www.simoncollister.com/2010/12/07/wikileaks-analysis-some-notes-on-transparency/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason MIcal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you touch on the most fascinating part of the wikileaks story here, which is information curation and trust. Transparency is only as good as justice but it&#039;s also only as good as the quality and accuracy of the information presented. WikiPEDIA, for example, is a self-correcting community where anyone can contribute and there are teams of volunteers working together to remove vandalism and misinformation and bias. WikiLEAKS must be taken on faith that the information presented has not been altered from its original form, that context around the information is understood, and that key pieces of other important information have not been omitted that may change one&#039;s perceptions of the facts. Wikileaks is the beginning (or rather, the next phase) in the transparency discussion, not the end of it because of the issues cited above.
The ideal scenario is not one leaky faceless voice within government or a company, but hundreds if not thousands of self-policing and self-correcting voices (anonymous or not) who can provide the kind of information curation - and ultimately context - that we see on Wikipedia.
Impossible? Sure, but why demand otherwise? ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you touch on the most fascinating part of the wikileaks story here, which is information curation and trust. Transparency is only as good as justice but it&#8217;s also only as good as the quality and accuracy of the information presented. WikiPEDIA, for example, is a self-correcting community where anyone can contribute and there are teams of volunteers working together to remove vandalism and misinformation and bias. WikiLEAKS must be taken on faith that the information presented has not been altered from its original form, that context around the information is understood, and that key pieces of other important information have not been omitted that may change one&#8217;s perceptions of the facts. Wikileaks is the beginning (or rather, the next phase) in the transparency discussion, not the end of it because of the issues cited above.<br />
The ideal scenario is not one leaky faceless voice within government or a company, but hundreds if not thousands of self-policing and self-correcting voices (anonymous or not) who can provide the kind of information curation &#8211; and ultimately context &#8211; that we see on Wikipedia.<br />
Impossible? Sure, but why demand otherwise? <img src='http://www.simoncollister.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Student protests, communication power and undercover police by Brett Gerry</title>
		<link>http://www.simoncollister.com/2010/11/28/student-protests-communication-power-undercover-police/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mass audio-visual media has consistently misrepresented student protests and tuition fee rises - but how do we tackle them? &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/fFKWdZ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/fFKWdZ&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mass audio-visual media has consistently misrepresented student protests and tuition fee rises &#8211; but how do we tackle them? <a href="http://bit.ly/fFKWdZ" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/fFKWdZ</a></p>
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